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The Duke vs. Mike James

  • I think we all agree that Duke is going to beat out Mike James at some point this year...my question is when? I want to see Duke starting the Georgia Tech game because by that point he will have had three games to adjust to the college level.

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  • State-Of-Miami said...

    I think we all agree that Duke is going to beat out Mike James at some point this year...my question is when? I want to see Duke starting the Georgia Tech game because by that point he will have had three games to adjust to the college level.

    I don't think so. I think Mike will have a really solid year. Dukes body isn't ready for the full load. He will probably get 5-10 touches a game at RB this season.

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  • Duke is a lot more talented than Mike James, but I just don't think he is ready. I will say this though, I do think Mike James is on a short leash after having an underwhelming season last year.

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  • Mike will be the starter but Duke will see the field alot.

    tampacane

  • Mike James was not utilized in way to bring out the best of him...it wasn't his or the coaches fault...Miller was just better. You don't give Mike James 7 touches a game and expect him to light up the stat sheet....You give him 20+ and let him tire out the defense. I just don't see duke getting many touches before week 6ish unless eduardo really struggles. After week 6-8 i see Dukes load steadily increasing but nothing over 10-12 overall touches.....Lets not forget that mike james is certainly a much better pass blocker than Duke at this point which is also a major factor that will keep him on the field....especially in 3rd down passing situations.

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  • SigmaCane1914 said...

    Here's my advice to you....stay off the Bath Salts kid.

    Did u know Rudy?

    CentralRockets

  • State-Of-Miami said...

    I think we all agree that Duke is going to beat out Mike James at some point this year...my question is when? I want to see Duke starting the Georgia Tech game because by that point he will have had three games to adjust to the college level.

    I'm probably the only one here on ur side...!

    CentralRockets

  • CFLACane said...

    Mike James was not utilized in way to bring out the best of him...it wasn't his or the coaches fault...Miller was just better. You don't give Mike James 7 touches a game and expect him to light up the stat sheet....You give him 20+ and let him tire out the defense. I just don't see duke getting many touches before week 6ish unless eduardo really struggles. After week 6-8 i see Dukes load steadily increasing but nothing over 10-12 overall touches.....Lets not forget that mike james is certainly a much better pass blocker than Duke at this point which is also a major factor that will keep him on the field....especially in 3rd down passing situations.

    +1

    Great post! Many people don't understand that James was utilized completely wrong last year. He is a old school back. He wears you down. He is the strongest guy on the team. So, he will get a big chunk of his yards in the 3rd and 4th quarter when defenses are tired. No one is going to want to tackle Mike in the 4th.

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  • State-Of-Miami said...

    I think we all agree that...

    you should put down the pipe...

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  • gocanes_10 said...

    +1

    Great post! Many people don't understand that James was utilized completely wrong last year. He is a old school back. He wears you down. He is the strongest guy on the team. So, he will get a big chunk of his yards in the 3rd and 4th quarter when defenses are tired. No one is going to want to tackle Mike in the 4th.

    Since when have we had the luxury to wait until the 4th to rely on our running game...we need it from the word go to have any chance this season. We aren't and never have been a team that relies on attrition to win the game..do you think this is bud kilmer and the west Canaan coyotes or something? I think James is too much like another James, javarris, in that he seeks too much contact and usually tackles himself. I think he will slowly lose carries to clements and duke over the course of the year because I've been much more impressed with clements play. We can't afford to have our starter have a 3.8 avg...that's pathetic

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  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    Since when have we had the luxury to wait until the 4th to rely on our running game...we need it from the word go to have any chance this season. We aren't and never have been a team that relies on attrition to win the game..do you think this is bud kilmer and the west Canaan coyotes or something? I think James is too much like another James, javarris, in that he seeks too much contact and usually tackles himself. I think he will slowly lose carries to clements and duke over the course of the year because I've been much more impressed with clements play. We can't afford to have our starter have a 3.8 avg...that's pathetic

    Valid point. But I'm just stating that's the type of back James is. James isn't a back you give 7 carries a game. He is built to do what I stated. He is pound for pound the strongest guy on the team.

    A great example of the type of back he is was the Ohio state game last year. When miller couldnt get past the line of scrimmage in the 4th, they put James in to finish the tired OSU defense. And he finished off that drive.

    James will have a solid year.

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  • gocanes_10 said...

    +1

    Great post! Many people don't understand that James was utilized completely wrong last year. He is a old school back. He wears you down. He is the strongest guy on the team. So, he will get a big chunk of his yards in the 3rd and 4th quarter when defenses are tired. No one is going to want to tackle Mike in the 4th.

    also, this theory doesnt hold a drop of water....because how many times last year did we need to get a first down in short yardage late in the game and James (as well as others) failed miserably? If this were true, he should have had a better year last year because Miller was the one tiring the defense out with most of the carries, he should have been able to come in fresh and run all over a tired defense....but that didnt happen at all.

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    also, this theory doesnt hold a drop of water....because how many times last year did we need to get a first down in short yardage late in the game and James (as well as others) failed miserably? If this were true, he should have had a better year last year because Miller was the one tiring the defense out with most of the carries, he should have been able to come in fresh and run all over a tired defense....but that didnt happen at all.

    You can't put all of that on our backs.

    The "great" Art Kehoe led offensive line failed miserably last year to get a push when needed.

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  • tampacane said...

    Mike will be the starter but Duke will see the field alot.

    Exactly +1

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  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    Since when have we had the luxury to wait until the 4th to rely on our running game...we need it from the word go to have any chance this season. We aren't and never have been a team that relies on attrition to win the game..do you think this is bud kilmer and the west Canaan coyotes or something? I think James is too much like another James, javarris, in that he seeks too much contact and usually tackles himself. I think he will slowly lose carries to clements and duke over the course of the year because I've been much more impressed with clements play. We can't afford to have our starter have a 3.8 avg...that's pathetic

    Your missing the point....mike james wasn't the starter when he averaged 3.8.... Dukes avg is 0.0. Attrition and ball control is what wins tight games...and i'm sure we'll be in a lot of them like last year. We relied heavily on our run game in 4th in the VT matchup...remember lamar miller going beastmode and actually breaking tackles? Must i mention the RB's other job PASS PROTECTION??? No way duke is ready for that.

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  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    also, this theory doesnt hold a drop of water....because how many times last year did we need to get a first down in short yardage late in the game and James (as well as others) failed miserably? If this were true, he should have had a better year last year because Miller was the one tiring the defense out with most of the carries, he should have been able to come in fresh and run all over a tired defense....but that didnt happen at all.

    See chase fords missed block for an explanation.

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  • gocanes_10 said...

    You can't put all of that on our backs.

    The "great" Art Kehoe led offensive line failed miserably last year to get a push when needed.

    youre cant expect the line to move the LOS past the first down marker, their job is to create holes... and its even more unrealistic when theres literally 18-20 bodies between the hashes becasue everyone has their goal line package in. you cant expect the line to do all the work and the RB is just going to walk for a first down, he has to make the first guy miss and fall forward, which also rarely happened. they would get put on their back and pushed back by one guy. CLements was the lone bright spot in short yardage situations last year, he could find the crease and hit it quickly.

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  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    youre cant expect the line to move the LOS past the first down marker, their job is to create holes... and its even more unrealistic when theres literally 18-20 bodies between the hashes becasue everyone has their goal line package in. you cant expect the line to do all the work and the RB is just going to walk for a first down, he has to make the first guy miss and fall forward, which also rarely happened. they would get put on their back and pushed back by one guy. CLements was the lone bright spot in short yardage situations last year, he could find the crease and hit it quickly.

    I understand that. But pretty much every short yardage play last year, the opposing defense had guys in the backfield before Miller or James even got the ball. You can't expect anyone to do anything with 2-3 guys in their face before they even touch the ball.

    You are putting way too much blame on our RBs. Our line was atrocious last year in short yardage situations.

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  • The OL was the problem. James seems to be better the more carries he gets. So judging him off of a handful of carries behind a bad OL is too much. He will be fine for 15-20 carries, OT with 5-10 and Duke with 5-10 touches as well.

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  • CFLACane said...

    Your missing the point....mike james wasn't the starter when he averaged 3.8.... Dukes avg is 0.0. Attrition and ball control is what wins tight games...and i'm sure we'll be in a lot of them like last year. We relied heavily on our run game in 4th in the VT matchup...remember lamar miller going beastmode and actually breaking tackles? Must i mention the RB's other job PASS PROTECTION??? No way duke is ready for that.

    no im not missing the point. Frank Gore wasnt the starter and he averaged about 10 yds per carry...how does being the starter effect your avg at all? he had a 5.7 avg two years ago with almost the exact same number of carries, so I guess thats jsut another invalid excuse for his poor performance last year. and youre right about pass-blocking, James probably will always be in the game in 3rd and long, but Duke is twice the playmaker and I saw much greater things from Clements in the very limited carries he had last year than I saw from James and his 70 carries.

    the fact that your counter-arguement was "DUkes average is 0.0" is hilarious considering most of the optimistic guys on this board point to our freshman as a reason why were going to over-achieve this year. If they havent played in any college games, I guess we should jsut disregard any talent they might have...and defense, 3rd down conversions, and turnovers is what wins close games. attrition is completely qualititative and imposible to measure, and ball control is really just converting first downs, doesnt matter how you do it. Ball control isnt synonomous with running the ball...remember in 2009 when we dominated GT and then ran the ball the entire 2nd half (about 20 straight times) due to Shannon's idiotic mindset? yeah that didnt do anyone any good. we were supposed to have the best rushing attack in the league last year and we couldnt close out games, we sure wont be better at it this year.

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  • gocanes_10 said...

    I understand that. But pretty much every short yardage play last year, the opposing defense had guys in the backfield before Miller or James even got the ball. You can't expect anyone to do anything with 2-3 guys in their face before they even touch the ball.

    You are putting way too much blame on our RBs. Our line was atrocious last year in short yardage situations.

    and I think youre putting way too much blame on the OL. How is it that they were good enough to give us our first 1000 yd rusher in 10 years, but they get all the blame for the short yardage failures? I think some of it was play-calling..you cant always jsut run it straight ahead and some of it was the RB's that didnt have either the vision or the strength to get 1 yd. The OL wasnt dominant in those situations but they also cant block more than one guy at a time. Im putting the blame on a guy with a 3.8 avg and another RB who had great speed but couldnt break a tackle from a CB to save his life. All Im saying is James was supposed to be the smash to Millers dash, and all I remember from him last year was running into tackles (and not breaking them) and fumbling the ball when we put it in his hands. there were very few bright spots for him last year when he had his moments to shine. PLEASE FIND HIS INDIVISUAL STATS FROM EACH GAME LAST YEAR AND TELL ME THEY WERE ANYTHING SHORT OF ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE FOR 10 OUT OF THE 12 GAMES. His avgs were 2.8,3.8,2.5,-1,6.5,3,3,.5,8.3,4,2.6,0. and maybe the reason he got fewer carries as the year went along was because he got 12 each in the first 2 games and only avgd 2.8 and 3.8. why would you give him more carries?

    This post was edited by Miami_Smoke75019 on 6/19/2012 at 3:20 PM

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  • CentralRockets said...

    I'm probably the only one here on ur side...!

    flexflexflexYou can add me to your list ! i think Duke beats out James Duke is more of explosive player and can score every time he touches the ball!

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