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  • I don't care if things don't go to plan this year. I'm a Canes FAN!!!! I ride or die with my team and realistic to me will never involve looking down on my team! Alabama, FSU, and UF can win 5 games combined next year and they will still predict more wins then us the next year and sale more tickets!!! And we wonder why school officals don't seriously consider building our team a stadium! We are FANS and need to start acting as such. Don't just think negitive things just because you're scared to get your feelings hurt next year, that's BS!!!

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  • tampa_tuck said...

    I don't care if things don't go to plan this year. I'm a Canes FAN!!!! I ride or die with my team and realistic to me will never involve looking down on my team! Alabama, FSU, and UF can win 5 games combined next year and they will still predict more wins then us the next year and sale more tickets!!! And we wonder why school officals don't seriously consider building our team a stadium! We are FANS and need to start acting as such. Don't just think negitive things just because you're scared to get your feelings hurt next year, that's BS!!!

    You have your opinion and that's ok how you feel, sincerely I couldn't care less but everyone in this forum and website are 'Canes fans to the max. Why would someone pay $100.00 plus in subscription if they look down on their team. I can't blame you for how you feel but stats and personal past experiences says otherwise, I just hope that I am completely wrong and hopefully this team takes off like a rocket-ship and win a bunch of games because at the end of the day it's all about the U!peace

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  • tampa_tuck said...

    Have you looked at some of these other teams? They're no more experience then we are. No one is returning 22 of 22 starters from last year! Because we had so many injuries last year and supensions, we're returning a lot of players from last year that played more then they should have but it did give them valuable experience. We were playing with 250lbs DT's!!! Those kids are now a year older and around 300lbs this year and a lot stronger!

    When you add up all those factors, you can therefore make an educated guess that we will be better then last year!

    what were our bright spots last year? Streeter, gone. Miller, gone. Spence, gone. the bottom lie is we didnt win with experience last year, but people somehow think that everybody replacing someone from the '08 class is a step up because "these are Golden's guys". these guys have a lot to prove yet...were breaking in a new QB, WR's, our entire defense is still questionable. they couldnt get off the field at all last year and nothing done during the offseason is going to change my perception on them.

    Miami_Smoke75019

  • tampa_tuck said...

    I don't care if things don't go to plan this year. I'm a Canes FAN!!!! I ride or die with my team and realistic to me will never involve looking down on my team! Alabama, FSU, and UF can win 5 games combined next year and they will still predict more wins then us the next year and sale more tickets!!! And we wonder why school officals don't seriously consider building our team a stadium! We are FANS and need to start acting as such. Don't just think negitive things just because you're scared to get your feelings hurt next year, that's BS!!!

    It doesnt do any good to jsut have blind faith in next year...lots of Cubs fans have been thinking positively their whole lives and they still suck. And how is it bad to look at the facts of the stiuation and say we are barely going to be over .500, but its better for "optimists" to ignore part of the facts and jsut think the stars will aling this year? Our record over the past 6 years has been 6-6. 7-6, 9-4, 7-6, 5-7, 7-6....so waht is so special about this team that people think we are going to suddenly break out (other than we're due)? the bottome line is we have to earn the right to be considered a great team again because we arent and havent been since 2 coaches ago. we were tied for 4th IN OUR OWN DIVISION last year, in one of the weakest conferences in cfb, and you guys are talking about our DT's being the missing link along with a bunch of freshman and sophomores? I dont get how that can be jsutified when looking at all the facts.

    Miami_Smoke75019

  • We r Miami we have loads of talent and will prevail. Nobody knew about steeeter or how he'd pan out after 3 years of non existence. Or suspensions, or a scandal.. Scott is replacing streeter and is having a better spring than street so far, than Williams will come along fine ans morris.... We'll have a running back by committee.

    The defense is alot stronger and bigger we'll be better than last year.

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  • fearthau83 said...

    We r Miami we have loads of talent and will prevail. Nobody knew about steeeter or how he'd pan out after 3 years of non existence. Or suspensions, or a scandal.. Scott is replacing streeter and is having a better spring than street so far, than Williams will come along fine ans morris.... We'll have a running back by committee.

    The defense is alot stronger and bigger we'll be better than last year.

    and don't forget our special teams will be much improved. Bottom line is this team will be better fit both physically and mentally.

    ShowMe the U

  • Yes we have struggled the last few years and have made changes to fix that. Fact, like you said we couldn't get off the field last year. You don't think that had something to do with us starting 250lbs freshmen DT? 215lbs LB's that can't bench 225 15x? Ray Ray being out the first 4 games? A defense that had 1 or 2 guys that could bench over 300lbs or do 225 over 20x. Our best DE missing the first 6 games and having to start a freshmen.

    On offense, last year no one new what Streeter would do, our starting QB that took the majority of the snaps all summer and fall only to find out he would not be playing the first game of the season and trusting someone in there that hadn't been looked at as a starter last year. A OL where our best lineman missed the first 4 games. An OL where only like 2 players benched 225 over 25x, no one benching over 400lbs, basiclly a very weak OL! Other then Miller and J12, who will we really miss this year? And with J12n most of the people on this board wanted him benched for Morris at this same time last year!

    If you look at our offense from last year that had the most snaps, we really only lose 4 player! We have 8 players coming back on offense with starting experiense, including Morris. We have up to 10 players coming back on deffense with starting experiense! That is a lot of good stuff coming back!!! Plus a huge 2012 class where we have some good ones in there and a team that is so much stronger then last year and no scandel waiting!

    Those my friend are the FACTS!!! This team has plenty of reasons for thinking there are brighter days ahead. This team is bigger, stronger, and less distracted. We have a ton of talent that played to soon last year, but we will benefit from that this year. We are not playing a killer schedule this year to start the season that will give our younger kids even more time to gel.

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  • I see a lot of difference since last year. More intensity, more pop and more "want to". This year, I believe a key play or two will determine momentum in several games, and I like our "want to" and what should be an excellant rotation -- a lot of newcomers will play big parts.

    I don't think 10 wins is unrealistic (including a bowl game). Don't you just love off-season justifications.

    TED PARKER

  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    what were our bright spots last year? Streeter, gone. Miller, gone. Spence, gone. the bottom lie is we didnt win with experience last year, but people somehow think that everybody replacing someone from the '08 class is a step up because "these are Golden's guys". these guys have a lot to prove yet...were breaking in a new QB, WR's, our entire defense is still questionable. they couldnt get off the field at all last year and nothing done during the offseason is going to change my perception on them.

    Streeter unproven and written off by many (I was not a member at the time but seeing how some view the players I can sure as sh*t say he was not held in high regard), Miller has great speed but not a great all around back, Spence is the man but he and Perry were the only backers to show up last year. New system, new coaches, bad apples, shapirogate...it's your opinion that we won't be that good, as I said before it's all in how you spin it, I see the positives and will have encouraging words for the ball club no matter what.

    USMCCCANE77399

  • tampa_tuck said...

    Yes we have struggled the last few years and have made changes to fix that. Fact, like you said we couldn't get off the field last year. You don't think that had something to do with us starting 250lbs freshmen DT? 215lbs LB's that can't bench 225 15x? Ray Ray being out the first 4 games? A defense that had 1 or 2 guys that could bench over 300lbs or do 225 over 20x. Our best DE missing the first 6 games and having to start a freshmen.

    On offense, last year no one new what Streeter would do, our starting QB that took the majority of the snaps all summer and fall only to find out he would not be playing the first game of the season and trusting someone in there that hadn't been looked at as a starter last year. A OL where our best lineman missed the first 4 games. An OL where only like 2 players benched 225 over 25x, no one benching over 400lbs, basiclly a very weak OL! Other then Miller and J12, who will we really miss this year? And with J12n most of the people on this board wanted him benched for Morris at this same time last year!

    If you look at our offense from last year that had the most snaps, we really only lose 4 player! We have 8 players coming back on offense with starting experiense, including Morris. We have up to 10 players coming back on deffense with starting experiense! That is a lot of good stuff coming back!!! Plus a huge 2012 class where we have some good ones in there and a team that is so much stronger then last year and no scandel waiting!

    Those my friend are the FACTS!!! This team has plenty of reasons for thinking there are brighter days ahead. This team is bigger, stronger, and less distracted. We have a ton of talent that played to soon last year, but we will benefit from that this year. We are not playing a killer schedule this year to start the season that will give our younger kids even more time to gel.

    AMEN!

    USMCCCANE77399

  • USMC/CCANE said...

    Streeter unproven and written off by many (I was not a member at the time but seeing how some view the players I can sure as sh*t say he was not held in high regard), Miller has great speed but not a great all around back, Spence is the man but he and Perry were the only backers to show up last year. New system, new coaches, bad apples, shapirogate...it's your opinion that we won't be that good, as I said before it's all in how you spin it, I see the positives and will have encouraging words for the ball club no matter what.

    ...and its your opinion well be better. the difference is the evidence Im pointing to is factual, others are pointing to "more intensity, more pop and more "want to". Really, youre basing a subjective opinion on a subjective perception?? you guys are more than welcome to think well be greatly improved this year, but I do find it funny that youre trying to persuade others to think that way based on the same stuff we hear every offseason...last year it was "this 08 class really wants to prove itself and go out on top, and harris will finally learn from his mistakes and theyll have a new mentality and theyll eliminate the stupid penalties and mistakes", blah blah. this year its "we have young hungry guys that are "goldens guys" and theyll have another year under their belt, and they had to play last year so they have some experience." I mean tampa is up there talking about bench presses and the scandal, when we have always emphasized speed over strength and have always had undersized LB's. our last great DT was wilfork, plus Bailey was stronger than a freaking ox and his production sure didnt match his measurables. Its a new excuse every year and this year will be inexperience, so Im already preparing for fans to start throwing that around, not to mention we havent heard our punishment yet, so Im sure that will be one as well, jsut like our loss to BC was becasue we couldnt play in a bowl game...we lost to a 4-loss team in a season finale at home. thats inexcusable, not to meention the fact that I think we have lost to every ACC team except Duke in the last 4-5 years.

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  • t On offense, last year no one new what Streeter would do, our starting QB that took the majority of the snaps all summer and fall only to find out he would not be playing the first game of the season and trusting someone in there that hadn't been looked at as a starter last year. A OL where our best lineman missed the first 4 games. An OL where only like 2 players benched 225 over 25x, no one benching over 400lbs, basiclly a very weak OL! Other then Miller and J12, who will we really miss this year? And with J12n most of the people on this board wanted him benched for Morris at this same time last year!

    except Morris and Harris split ALL the offsesason snaps last year because it was an open competition, so youre blatantly wrong in that respect. Morris was more than prepared to start, kind of like he did when he was a freshman. Other than Miller and Harris, I would say Streeter because almost all of our offense went through those 3 guys. williams hasnt looked good this spring at all and Morris is injured so theres a huge question mark. yeah you say our OL should be good, well they should have last year too so why should I believe it this year? they were supposed to be the best in the ACC. you say Henderson is our best OL but based on what? how many stars he had coming out of HS? he hasnt done anything to be regarded as our best lineman, he wasnt even listed as the starter last offseason before he got injured, so enough with the "this is a new team" crap, ive heard it for the past 5 years and been thoroughly disappointed each season. there is no reason to be optimistic until they show us something on the field, and by that I dont mean the practice field

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  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    ...and its your opinion well be better. the difference is the evidence Im pointing to is factual, others are pointing to "more intensity, more pop and more "want to". Really, youre basing a subjective opinion on a subjective perception?? you guys are more than welcome to think well be greatly improved this year, but I do find it funny that youre trying to persuade others to think that way based on the same stuff we hear every offseason...last year it was "this 08 class really wants to prove itself and go out on top, and harris will finally learn from his mistakes and theyll have a new mentality and theyll eliminate the stupid penalties and mistakes", blah blah. this year its "we have young hungry guys that are "goldens guys" and theyll have another year under their belt, and they had to play last year so they have some experience." I mean tampa is up there talking about bench presses and the scandal, when we have always emphasized speed over strength and have always had undersized LB's. our last great DT was wilfork, plus Bailey was stronger than a freaking ox and his production sure didnt match his measurables. Its a new excuse every year and this year will be inexperience, so Im already preparing for fans to start throwing that around, not to mention we havent heard our punishment yet, so Im sure that will be one as well, jsut like our loss to BC was becasue we couldnt play in a bowl game...we lost to a 4-loss team in a season finale at home. thats inexcusable, not to meention the fact that I think we have lost to every ACC team except Duke in the last 4-5 years.

    Valid points, I respect your view, I just think that being critical of "our" ball club is counterproductive. Other schools haven't sniffed a NC in years and they pack stands and are brimming with optimistic anticipation for the new season. Losing has become a part of the culture around here so much so that we have become overly critical of the ball club, instead of enjoying them. Heck the scrimmage out of Miami packed in 5,500-6,500 people, in Miami we barely got 600 and it was free...you used the Cubs fans as an example, to me they should be the blue print for all fans; loyal , optimistic and passionate.

    USMCCCANE77399

  • USMC/CCANE said...

    Valid points, I respect your view, I just think that being critical of "our" ball club is counterproductive. Other schools haven't sniffed a NC in years and they pack stands and are brimming with optimistic anticipation for the new season. Losing has become a part of the culture around here so much so that we have become overly critical of the ball club, instead of enjoying them. Heck the scrimmage out of Miami packed in 5,500-6,500 people, in Miami we barely got 600 and it was free...you used the Cubs fans as an example, to me they should be the blue print for all fans; loyal , optimistic and passionate.

    ok, I respect that. Im still going to the KSU and ND game because Im in the widwest, but all im saying is where wins once were expected, now we are left to hope. and youre right, the losing culture is part of it, which is why I find it hard to see the 2012 changing that where so many others have failed. My mindset has to be changed by the teams play on the field, thats all im saying. Im done trying to extrapolate these reports and try to figure out how many wins were going to have, im going by the trend line and we have trended around 7 wins for the past 6 years. im begging this team to show me something: beat the teams youre supposed to beat, be consistent, be disciplined, protect the home field (have some pride), and like IRvin said, they have to have some respect for the U, both past and future, and pass it on to the next generation in better shape than you found it.

    Miami_Smoke75019

  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    ok, I respect that. Im still going to the KSU and ND game because Im in the widwest, but all im saying is where wins once were expected, now we are left to hope. and youre right, the losing culture is part of it, which is why I find it hard to see the 2012 changing that where so many others have failed. My mindset has to be changed by the teams play on the field, thats all im saying. Im done trying to extrapolate these reports and try to figure out how many wins were going to have, im going by the trend line and we have trended around 7 wins for the past 6 years. im begging this team to show me something: beat the teams youre supposed to beat, be consistent, be disciplined, protect the home field (have some pride), and like IRvin said, they have to have some respect for the U, both past and future, and pass it on to the next generation in better shape than you found it.

    I hear yah brotha we all feel your pain...it sucks that I have to talk about the teams of the past to be in a conversation with a Marine from Boise or Oregon...fml! It won't be over night but we are headed in the right direction. With the 33 new players it least 5 have to come through big for us (hopefully Duke, some WR's and some corners). Spet can't come soon enough. Sanctions or not this is a HUGE year for the program.

    USMCCCANE77399

  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    ok, I respect that. Im still going to the KSU and ND game because Im in the widwest, but all im saying is where wins once were expected, now we are left to hope. and youre right, the losing culture is part of it, which is why I find it hard to see the 2012 changing that where so many others have failed. My mindset has to be changed by the teams play on the field, thats all im saying. Im done trying to extrapolate these reports and try to figure out how many wins were going to have, im going by the trend line and we have trended around 7 wins for the past 6 years. im begging this team to show me something: beat the teams youre supposed to beat, be consistent, be disciplined, protect the home field (have some pride), and like IRvin said, they have to have some respect for the U, both past and future, and pass it on to the next generation in better shape than you found it.

    All that sums up FSU as well...... paper and recruiting champs.... time to do work on the field.... are we close, I think so but close doesn't cut it when for nearly 20 years were living it.....

    Every school has peaks and valleys and right now the big 3 seem to be paddling together waiting for one to take the lead and bring the light back on us...

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  • USMC/CCANE said...

    I hear yah brotha we all feel your pain...it sucks that I have to talk about the teams of the past to be in a conversation with a Marine from Boise or Oregon...fml! It won't be over night but we are headed in the right direction. With the 33 new players it least 5 have to come through big for us (hopefully Duke, some WR's and some corners). Spet can't come soon enough. Sanctions or not this is a HUGE year for the program.

    5 is a large number of freshman to have big roles, impacts or seasons..... odds are 2-3 will. It is just the nature of the business ...... it is a big difference between HS and College and it takes time to adjust to the speed, physical play and overall length of the season....

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  • USMC/CCANE said...

    I hear yah brotha we all feel your pain...it sucks that I have to talk about the teams of the past to be in a conversation with a Marine from Boise or Oregon...fml! It won't be over night but we are headed in the right direction. With the 33 new players it least 5 have to come through big for us (hopefully Duke, some WR's and some corners). Spet can't come soon enough. Sanctions or not this is a HUGE year for the program.

    yeah, it just seems recently like our players have jsut tried to be parasites of the program, they jsut take what they can get and move on. the mentality used to be that the best man should play, whether thats me or the guy im competing against. wahtever is best for the program, and in the end it will benefit me as well. I dont see that yet, but you are correct in that this year will tell us a lot as to how close we are to being a legit program again.

    Miami_Smoke75019

  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    5 is a large number of freshman to have big roles, impacts or seasons..... odds are 2-3 will. It is just the nature of the business ...... it is a big difference between HS and College and it takes time to adjust to the speed, physical play and overall length of the season....

    FSU I hear yah, but in all phases of the game and when I say come up huge I mean; a sack late in the game, pass deflection, big catch, put return... not so much every down just doing their job when their name is called.

    USMCCCANE77399

  • USMC/CCANE said...

    FSU I hear yah, but in all phases of the game and when I say come up huge I mean; a sack late in the game, pass deflection, big catch, put return... not so much every down just doing their job when their name is called.

    I agree but to me that can be said for any player on the team.... freshman very rarely have a impact on a team and very rarely is it more than 2.... yes will they make a play here or there, sure but in crunch time most tend to panic..... like for FSU only Pender and MEj are two I expect to make any difference if at all..... Howard and Kirby are in line to be major factors IYAM..... other than that the freshman will contribute at times and frustrate you at other times..... if you are having to depend on freshman then you are already behind the 8 ball.... t is so hard for them to make that leap and adjustment in such a short time

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  • Miami[]_[]Smoke said...

    yeah, it just seems recently like our players have jsut tried to be parasites of the program, they jsut take what they can get and move on. the mentality used to be that the best man should play, whether thats me or the guy im competing against. wahtever is best for the program, and in the end it will benefit me as well. I dont see that yet, but you are correct in that this year will tell us a lot as to how close we are to being a legit program again.

    I could write a 5 paragraph order on how this program was whored out...as I said before; "we became drunk from our own success", no one held anyone accountable for sh*t! From 1983 to 1995 our depth is un-paralleled (Eddie Brown to Lamar Thomas how many schools can say that they had 13 years of great WR depth. Kelly to Erikson 13+ years of QB depth?!?!), then from 99-02 (James, Jackson, Portis, Gore, McGahee. Franks, Shockey, Winslow, Olson...). I'm at a loss for words... so I feel your pain but I won't let that get me down, "we will be back" (Arnold Schwarzenegger voice, lol)! Semper!

    USMCCCANE77399

  • USMC/CCANE said...

    I could write a 5 paragraph order on how this program was whored out...as I said before; "we became drunk from our own success", no one held anyone accountable for sh*t! From 1983 to 1995 our depth is un-paralleled (Eddie Brown to Lamar Thomas how many schools can say that they had 13 years of great WR depth. Kelly to Erikson 13+ years of QB depth?!?!), then from 99-02 (James, Jackson, Portis, Gore, McGahee. Franks, Shockey, Winslow, Olson...). I'm at a loss for words... so I feel your pain but I won't let that get me down, "we will be back" (Arnold Schwarzenegger voice, lol)! Semper!

    Same for FSU, it is more of an entitlement.... walk onto the field expecting your opponent to roll over....

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  • USMC/CCANE said...

    Valid points, I respect your view, I just think that being critical of "our" ball club is counterproductive. Other schools haven't sniffed a NC in years and they pack stands and are brimming with optimistic anticipation for the new season. Losing has become a part of the culture around here so much so that we have become overly critical of the ball club, instead of enjoying them. Heck the scrimmage out of Miami packed in 5,500-6,500 people, in Miami we barely got 600 and it was free...you used the Cubs fans as an example, to me they should be the blue print for all fans; loyal , optimistic and passionate.

    That's my point also. I just keep hearing people saying they're die hard fans, but they seem more like fare weather fans or front running fans! One thing I have noticed is that few so call fans don't remember the mid 90's and the sanctions. Butch came in and made the same type moves that Al is making, so I can see things changing. We as fans just need to support our team!

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