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I'd like to see them play first....I hope u right tho
I said the Dtackles didn't help him out... Green was not our best dlineman based on his tackles... He is a good tackler, that's true... Is he a playmaker... NO! The stats are self-explanatory... Volume snaps, little TFL and NOOO sacks... C'mon Man(4LN fools voices)!
Lmao... Do not compare Shayon Green to Wade... And you're dead wrong... There are many different move and techniques you could use to rush the passer... Maybe if he was weak at one of those techniques but elite in all other you could make that comparison... Dunno why there's so many Shayon Green apologists here... I think any non-Miami fn would tell u that's the weak link on the Dline... O yeah, and Chick had a horrible year... still, way more TFL, 4 sacks, and just a few less tackles...
I think DWade comparison is a little weak. If he only scored his points in mop up duty then maybe.. Green gets his tackles way past the point of attack. I won't go as far as saying they are by default but I'm dancing on that line. Calling Chick out is more than fair. He didn't play well last year. Trying to act like he was worse than Green is just crazy talk. Look at his TFL/Sacks in comparison. Those are what kill drives.. Look at his first two season stats & compare them to Green's.. Better yet, don't bc it won't be pretty for Shayon. We need both to play better this season & need the DT to collapse the pocket.
Golden is better then Jimbo... I feared it was true. He is going to hoist a crystal ball there - fsufsu
Thanks for answering Jack. I was blown away at the Dwayne Wade comparison....Anyway like Jack said, Chick at least had some sacks and tackle for losses. Shayon's numbers were not impressive to me. You tell a scout or gm that he lead the team in tackles the next question they will ask is how many of those tackles were tackles for loss and how many sacks did he have. You tell them 0 and they walk away.
You think its crazy to say that he had a better season than Chick??? Lets Compare:
67 Total tackles (38 Solo), 2 TFL, 3 QB hurries
45 Total tackles (29 Solo), 6.5 TFL 3 of which came in one game vs GT, 2 QB hurries, 4 sacks
I'm not saying Green is better than Chick but in terms of production its certainly an argument. When bringing up the stats to compare its not as ugly as you may seem to think :/
You act as if the leading sacker on th team had like 15!!! The leader only had 4 and Shayon only played 1st and 2nd downs. Most of the time he wasn't even in the game on 3rd down and NFL teams do it all the time. If you think putting 210lb DE's would make things better, you're forgetting about games like the ND game where they ran the ball the whole second half and we couldn't even pinch them! Sacks are just one part of the game.
Envy the past, Fear the future
To each his own.. I don't think it's even close.
I played d-line and it's played inside out. If you remember whenever we had monster d-ends, we also had at least one grown man in the interior. Until we have someone on the inside who commands a double team every play, we are gonna be weak in the sack department. The d-end rarely makes sacks in the pocket. Qb has to be flushed out by interior pressure. Point blank.
At the very least I can say I saw Chick have an impact on a game( GT ) and had his name called by an announcer. Shayon has not had an impact play or game that I can recall. You make it seem as if he made a big difference on our defense. He impact was minimal. I would have rather let our younger players with more potential and experience play. Tyriq isn't a scrub same with Jelani. Hypothetically speaking, Tyriq would have led our team in sacks had he played Shayon's snaps. Our run defense was bad with Shayon but with Jelani or Tyriq we would at the very least had more pressure on the QB.
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