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Monday (1/14) Dolphins to go public to announce stadium funding

  • We finally get a real fan experience at SLS

    The Phins have secured financing. The stadium will be way better with a roof, new score boards, less seats and moving the seats closer the the field!!

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  • Buzz going around. I will post a link when find it.

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  • terrible news. just an excuse for us to stay there.

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  • well, where else are we going? lol

  • Hey Gang...

    Don't be fooled. They have no public funding secured. Without that there will be no major renovations to the "thomb". The proposed roof is NOT a retractable kind and is a sun shade that covers just the upper deck. That's not bad because it will direct air and noise back down into the seats. The sideline seats will be brought closer to the sidelines.

    HOWEVER, the costs (some say $200M) are NOT funded yet. Take the $200M and build a new 50K seat stadium for the Canes just down the street from the campus at Tropical Park.

    Build The "U."

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  • Would it be publicly funded by Dade or will Ross pickup the tab? Can't imagine Dade County giving anymore public funding after the Miami Marlins debacle.

  • http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3180861/dolphins-worry-marlins-stand-between.html

    400 million, it is a mix of state and county and the Phins, this thing will be better then the last vision they had to redo it!!

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  • It's going to take a lot of slick maneuvering to get county and state money. Ross is better off funding a renovation himself and keeping full ownership of the stadium.

  • grumble

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  • http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/michael-mayo-blog/sfl-mayo-dolphins-stadium-20130114,0,4390937.story

    I hope we can get this moving forward, even this off season with some improvements.

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  • If that's the case those would be great improvements for us & the Fins.

    +1


  • Contrary to the myths out there that indicate crazy long distances to the sidelines, the front row of seats is about 75 feet from the sideline at the seat back. 18 feet closer would be 57 feet.

    At the OB, the closest any seat was to the sideline after they chopped seats off for the world cup qualifying was 40 feet and that was down towards the end zones. Behind the benches, the first row of seating was 62-65 feet from the sideline. So, I know you were being sarcastic but 18 feet closer will put the closest seats closer for the most part than they were in the OB.

    The biggest difference is that the lower bowl of the OB held close to 50,000. In the past the number I had seen tossed around was adding 10,000 seats to the lower bowl of Sun Life and taking them out of the upper deck. That still only puts 30,000 in the lower and 40,000 including club. The lower bowl of the OB extended approximately the same distance from the field that the lower bowl plus club level does at sunlife.

    Now, if the pricing is done right so that we fill the whole lower bowl with 'Cane fans, it will be a 10x better atmosphere than we have now and the TV cameras don't see the upper deck much.

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  • http://pics.lockerz.com/s/276881245

    Pics of the stadium. I guess from the press conference.

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  • More renderings of what I think we have a decent chance to get

    Ross unveiled renderings of the proposed modernizations for Sun Life Stadium and also introduced a six-point pledge to residents of Miami-Dade in which he committed to:

    Approach this partnership differently than any other by investing more, pledging more, and returning more to the community and fans;
    Ensure that private funding pays for the majority of stadium construction costs;
    Not request a tax increase for Miami-Dade residents;
    Create thousands of local jobs by hiring contractors, subcontractors, and vendors from Miami-Dade;
    Create a world-class facility with improved sight lines, seats closer to the field, and an electric environment for the Dolphins, Hurricanes, bowl games, and international soccer;
    Secure the future of the franchise by committing the Dolphins to play at a modernized Sun Life Stadium through at least 2034.
    Ross was joined at the announcement by Dolphins CEO Mike Dee, University of Miami Interim Athletic Director Blake James, Orange Bowl President & Chairman Andrew Hertz, CEO Eric Poms, and Board Member Al Dotson Jr., Super Bowl Host Committee Chairman Rodney Barreto and Pan American Games Bid Committee Chairman Ralph Garcia-Toledo

    The proposed modernizations for Sun Life Stadium will also return the stadium to the original configurations that were compromised to accommodate baseball, giving fans a much improved football experience with better sightlines from every seat in the house. Other major upgrades include:

    More comfortable seats;
    New seating closer to the field;
    State-of-the art HD video screens;
    An open-air canopy that shields fans from elements while preserving the natural grass playing surface;
    HD sports lighting;
    Modern escalators and elevators for fan transportation; and
    Updated kitchens for better concession options.

    http://www.hurricanesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205963660&DB_OEM_ID=28700

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    We're never going to get our own stadium with this renovations bs. cry


  • Look at the renderings, they have the U on them and Al Golden just thanked MR Ross. this is going to happen and the seating will be much closer to what he had at the OB. they have completely changed the Lower bowl seating, and we will be closer to the field.

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    Nah bro we need to get our own stadium close to the campus.

    The new renderings looks nice but I don't see fans packing the stadium because the seats are closer.


  • . Here's some key points:

    -- "Its not just about the Super Bowl. Its about soccer and what we need to do with other events," Steve Ross said.

    -- "The time to invest is now to make sure we don't lose 10 years," Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said.

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    Mayo: Dolphins fishing for public dollars again
    Buzz poll
    Should the public support a tax subsidy to improve Sun Life Stadium?
    No. You're kidding with this question, right?
    Yes. Some improvements are needed to get Super Bowls and BCS games
    No. Do the Miami Marlins ring a bell?
    Yes. Not hundreds of millions, but big games bring a lot into our community

    A look at what Sun Life Stadium could look like for UM games
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    Photos: Renderings of 2010 Dolphins' stadium improvements
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    -- "We can not afford to take a step backwards competitively," Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said.

    -- Dolphins owner Steve Ross said "this is a Miami-Dade effort." No other counties involved.

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    -- "As the owner of the team I don't benefit financially from having the Super Bowl here...the community is what wins," owner Steve Ross said.

    -- "We have to take advantage that we have the best weather in the country in the winter," Dolphins owner Steve Ross.

    -- "The every four-year automatic slot everyone expects is gone," CEO Mike Dee on Super Bowl bids.

    -- The estimates on the bed tax is $10 million a year according to CEO Mike Dee. "We want to be cooperative and collaborative.

    -- "We're willing to pay more than our fair share to make this happen. We're open to creative ways to make this happen," CEO Mike Dee said.

    -- Mike Dee said Indianapolis' success hosting last year's Super Bowl makes insiders think they could be in the regular mix every decade.

    -- "There is a solution where everybody wins here. There doesn't have to be a winner and loser in every transaction," Dee said.

    -- "We're making a minimum commitment to the majority of the project cost," Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said.

    -- "We're willing to pay more than our fair share to make this happen. We're open to creative ways to make this happen," CEO Mike Dee said.

    -- "I'm prepared to do more than what any owner had done in the past," Dolphins owner Steve Ross said when asked why doesn't he pay for it all.

    -- "I think I've had a greater commitment to professional sports than anyone in the United States," Ross said. "The burden isn't all on me."

    -- "The penny raise only applies to mainland Miami. Its not eligible to be put into place in Miami Beach," Dee said of bed tax.

    -- "If we get this stadium we're very confident that Super Bowl 50 (2016) will be here," Dolphins owner Steve Ross said.

    -- "I've been talking to commissioner Goodell and Miami is the place the NFL wants to be. But we're competing with other places," Ross said.

    -- "What these events do is bring people back to your community to visit, buy a condo, buy a home," chairman of the Super Bowl committee said.

    -- "We have to remain competitive, and in order to remain competitive we need to invest in these communities," Mike Dee said.

    -- Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said those two ideas for public funding will produce a Dolphins investment of 50% or $250M to the project.

    -- Mike Dee said there will be a proposal to raise bed tax from 6 cents to 7 cents. It would enable a pro sports tax to benefit the projects.

    -- CEO Mike Dee said eight pro teams have received sales tax rebate, Dolphins will apply for one that provides ($3 million year for 40 years).

    -- "There will be legislation filed soon that will serve two things. Open door for 9th slot for a sales tax rebate," Mike Dee said.

    -- "We've done a lot of work to date on private public partnership ideas....we don't have a solution we're settled on," CEO Mike Dee said.

    -- If the stadium gets upgraded, Dolphins owner Steve Ross said he'll commit that the Dolphins will be here "for the next 25 years."

    -- "Today, it's too easy to stay at home and that's what we're really competing with," Dolphins owner Steve Ross said.

    -- "I'll invest more than half to the stadium," Dolphins owner Steve Ross said. "We'll create local jobs for contractors, suppliers."

    -- "We pledge to invest more personally, and return more to the community that anyone else has done," Ross said.

    -- "I'm prepared to make a pledge to Miami and we can get this stadium that can create an environment that doesn't exist anywhere," Ross said.

    -- "I've spent more on a professional sports team than anyone in the (US). When you own a sports team its a responsibility to community," Ross said.

    -- What we want to do is create a soccer event that brings world class soccer, creating a tournament. We want to have a major, major event" Ross said.

    -- "Commissioner [Roger] Goodell said 'Miami needs to do some work on the stadium if it wants to get more Super Bowls,' " Steve Ross said.

    -- "In return, it creates jobs. We all want to see jobs created and see the economy continue to grow," Dolphins owner Steve Ross said.

    -- "People want to be here. It was great what we all saw last Monday.There was nothing so electric. It was just incredible,"Ross said of NCAA championship game at Sun Life Stadium.

    -- "The real idea today is how do we keep Miami competitive....How do we allow it to continue to grow and be the world class city," Ross said.

    -- "This is my opportunity to do something that can really give something to South Florida," Dolphins owner Steve Ross said.

    --"Our whole philosophy as a company is if we look out for cities and they do well we'll do well," Steve Ross said of his business process.

    -- "I grew up down here and even though I live in New York I've never left South Florida," Dolphins owner Steve Ross said.

    -- "We know as a community we can't be beaten for big time events as long as we have a [first-class] stadium," Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said.

    -- "It [Sun Life Stadium) is ready to leap into the future with modifications and technology and all that," McLaughlin said.

    -- "We're going to be conscious of energy and go as green as we can," McLaughlin, the 360 architect said.

    -- New wider seats and more comfortable seats. "As time goes by new seat designed have become more comfortable," 360 Architect says.

    -- Seating bowl enhancements bring seats closer to the field and bring more upper seats down to field level.

    -- The core of the stadium upgrade is to turn the all-purpose facility into a football and soccer venue (closer seats).

    -- "We've come to the conclusion this stadium has good bones....It is sound [structurally]," 360 Architect says.

    -- "We recognize the environment that we're in and the public has certain feels about (public funded stadiums)," CEO Mike Dee said.

    -- "The private public partnership that we seek today has six components....private funding will pay for the majority of the cost," Dee said.

    -- "The cost range for this project is $375-400 million dollars," Mike Dee said 3 phases. Deals with preservation, fan enhancements, & canopy.

    -- Mike Dee said the efforts to upgrade the stadium has been intensified because of Super Bowl 50. "We want to put best bid forward."

    -- The people who are doing stadium upgrade is 360 Architects in Kansas City.

    -- Based on what I'm seeing from pictures the seats will get closer to the field, 4 jumbotrons in each corner, and a roof area covering seats.

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  • The stadium doesn't have to be that close to the campus there is transportation for the games just not too many of them use it but if we start winning they damn sure will

  • If the seats are in the shade, our fans are more likely to be in them. Most times when the stadium looks empty, it's b/c everybody's inside under cover at the bars.

  • Hey Gang...

    There is no debate that these improvements will help. For $400M! The grade of the lower bowl is still very flat. Noise will not reflect back to the field, thus no real enhancement of the game day experience. The shade screen will not actually put that many seats in the shade. Artists can work magic with renderings. The "Tomb" is still 25 miles from campus. The stadium still doesn't add to the college experience.

    How much does the university have to kick-in? How much will the student fees increase? How long of a commitment to stay in that "Tomb" does the university have to make? What happens if this project fails? Are we ready to see "our hometown team" go down the tubes?

    Ross said he would commit $250M. That means they have to raise another $200M. For that $200M + another $100M, we could have our own 50K seat stadium at Tropical Park. Never trust sports franchise owners. They wouldn't be going though all this trouble if they were not getting something big out of it. What will Ross do if his project does not fly? Move the Fins? Ask the folks in cities like Baltimore, Cleveland, St. Louis, Oakland, Los Angeles, and New Orleans if NFL owners would move "their" Colts, Browns, Rams, Cardinals, Raiders, and Saints. The owners are business men and they will do anything to make money, even move their team out on Christmas Eve in the middle of the night in a snow storm (Baltimore Colts).

    Don't believe a word Ross says. Don't get suckered in. Build The "U" !!!

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